He’s drunk again, it’s time to fight, she must have done something wrong tonight…
04/30/2004
Well this is fun… My computer has crashed, so I’m currently running the knoppix Linux operating system from CD in the other machine while the laptop does a complete backup, format and reinstall. It’s slow as molasses for some reason, given the power of the machine… But it’s fun to work with
Daytime television again, while I wait to change discs, and the taxi entry later on once I get back on my full system.
Today I’m thinking violence, abuse and battered husbands and wives.
That’s what they were talking about on daytime television, well that and a woman who wants to have 30 children, but I’m not even going to go there!
Anyway, the topic of the conversation was a woman who has always been a firm advocate against abuse in a marriage.
But now she’s written an article to say that it’s ok in some circumstances…
Let me explain…
She has a friend in Australia who has a good marriage, lovely children, a loving husband, etc. Her husband is a good husband and she loves him. He is good with the children, good to her, works hard and is a good provider.
She says that she has a 95% marriage… That is, it?s great 95% of the time. But on occasions (once every few years) he will come home drunk and slap her.
Now this woman says that she doesn’t mind that, and that she still loves him, he loves her, he’s never hit her hard enough to do any damage, never done it in front of the children or to the children… So that’s ok then.
It’s better for her and the children for her to put up with it, because it’s only once in a while and it’s never been a beating, just a few slaps.
The journalist (the woman being interviewed on the television) said that after hearing that, she feels that there are times when a wife should stick with her husband, and that we, as a society are too judgemental in condemning the woman as stupid for staying, and the husband as evil for hitting her.
She said that people lose control; it’s a natural thing. As long as it doesn’t involve the children and is only occasional, that it’s ok.
She also pointed out the double standards… if a woman went to her friends and said that her husband had beaten her, they would almost automatically tell her she should take the children and leave him, no questions asked… But if a man went to his friends, the police or anybody else for that matter and said that his wife had beaten him, nobody would suggest that he leave her and take the children… No, they would either laugh at him, tell him to stop being such a wimp and stand up for himself, or more likely, both…
Personally, i think both are wrong.
nobody should stay in an abusive relationship, no matter what the reason! Abuse is abuse, be it towards a man or a woman. Both are wrong, and neither should be tolerated!
Now, obviously I understand that they could be scared to leave, etc… But people don’t change… They get away with it once; they’ll do it again if similar situations occur.
It’s no good justifying it “But they said they were sorry, they promised it would never happen again…”
Yes it will.
I don’t care whether you are a man or women, if you?re being abused; get yourself out of the situation. Children are different, it’s much harder for them to remove themselves from the situation, unless they are a very strong personality and know where they can get help from someone they trust.
But once you’re an adult, you have to take responsibility for your self.
Of course on the other hand, yes I can see why this Australian woman would want to stay with her husband, it’s only an occasional loss of self control…
But the thing is, if he loses control, there is nothing to stop him losing control and being more violent… There’s also the constant worry, the treading on eggshells so as not to upset him, worrying whether the children will find out, or whether it will be them at the receiving end next time… Not to mention the constant worry of whether tonight will be the night it happens again…
What got me though, was that the husband was supposed to be very sorry, and genuinely upset that it happened… It also seemed to be that the incidents occurred when he’d been out drinking…
Now maybe it’s me… But if he was that repentant and upset by what he had done, he would stop drinking, since it obviously causes a lack of control in him.
Surely giving up the alcohol is a small price to pay for his wife, his children and their happiness as a family?
Yet he still goes out and drinks on occasions, comes back, loses control and slaps his wife, and she keeps telling him it’s ok and telling people that they have to work at their marriage and accept the odd bit of light abuse for the sake of their marital vows…
Somehow I think they’ve got it backwards… She shouldn’t have to accept it, he should be doing something about it, and taking away the alcohol which is obviously the catalyst to the situations, and proving that he really is sorry about what happened and is determined that it will never happen again…
Since they aren’t… it makes you think that he can’t be truly sorry about it, possibly because she is so eager to accept it, but not only that, justifying her actions to anybody who will listen and suggesting that they aren’t as dedicated to their marriage as she is if they wouldn’t be willing to accept the abuse if they were in her position…
Glad to see she’s convinced it hasn’t done anything to her mental well being then…
Some people just can’t… or won’t be told…!

cath_y said,
April 30, 2004 @ 10:45 pm
I wanna say that I agree with you a 100%. But I am not too sure I am able to think as clearly in black and white as you do. -I keep thinking there *might* be some situations where…. But it would never be right or ok.
If my man ever slapped me, it would make me amazingly unsecure. -Even if he did it only once for some wacky reason. -It would lay there latent in me that he might hit again. Not sure I would be able to live with that.
Trust is the main issue in such a close relationship, isnt it? -And how could I trust him never to hit me again?
…But I guess it might depend on the situation.
..hmm..
Oh. -And btw: Amazingly cool journal you’ve gotten yourself. -Always had *content* -and now LOOKS too! Awesome! :}
Adam (Hidden_Canada) said,
May 1, 2004 @ 2:37 am
Well I see Buckingham Palace is having a problem with Knoppix right now. I’m not sure why it would be running slow lol did you grab the beta? That’s not a good idea d00d, and ya I’ve heard of a really awesome cluster program for knoppix that will take your DVD ripping time down to like 20 mins to create an ISO. That’s right mr man cluster technology using your 2 computers to process info twice as fast. You can dual boot and make your pc fly! i want to spray paint my computer tonight for some reason. It must be one of those heavenly nerd urges that you get on friday nights. As for the hitting thing… I once saw a girl go screaming out of the club at a British soldier beating him. She was yelling “You never hit a girl you stupid 4$$_ _ _ _” and then proceeded on hitting him. I guess he was drunk as hell and hit her in the club. I have no clue what got him to do that but ya pretty bad lol. The next thing I know 5 guys are chasing this guy down the street and he’s getting his ass kicked by 5 guys stomping him into the ground. I intervened but then they wanted to take a go at me. I went screw it lol after seeing that hehe and his friends came out to help him. The next thing I know the whole street is filled with brawling British soldiers and 21 yr old kids. I’m not sure if anyone felt any better after but how does anyone feel compelled to live with these kind of people? If people can honestly sit back and live with that kind of trash well then they deserve it. I can only feel sorry for the kids that have to deal with this kind of stuff.
bittrsweet said,
May 1, 2004 @ 9:29 pm
im just not gonna touch on the subject.. but Nickelback rules. lol GREAT in concert
and i was readin a couple entries back.. about being bored. THAT IS SO ME right now. woke up quite a while ago.. i’ve been messin around ALL damn day on this thing tryign to find something interesting. NOPE. and nobody’s on. including your fraggle ass.. lol ^_^
ok im out
~
jas
fragglestripper said,
May 1, 2004 @ 9:49 pm
ok it’s me again.. I HAD TO comment. lol im so damn bored. nickelback used to be my favorite band.. havent listened to em in forever.. so i started again. Random thought.. BACK to the entry
i DO agree with you 100%
there aren’t that many people that actually follow through with what ya said though. I believe that any type of abuse is intolerable. My uncle and his ex wife were alcoholics. They’d beat eachother up a lot.. but it had gotten REALLY bad. One night she went to leave, she was getting into his car but wouldn’t get out. he had to pull her out.. she fell then called the cops. He got into trouble with the cops.. this whole thing. He had a black eye and she didn’t have ANYTHING.. yet he’s the one with a record? i thought that was soo ****ed up. It’s an issue people don’t care to address because they think it’s a joke… when really women are fully capable to do the same amount of damage.
Growing up my brother used to beat me up when nobody else was home. He was twice my size.. he’d lay on me n strangle me until i almost passed out.. no really heh.. and hit my head into stuff. Nobody really seemed to care no matter what i said because it was “normal sibling stuff” YEAH RIGHT. i still hold it against him and my entire family. now whenever i wrestle friends if they lay on me like he used to i kinda flip out. It also went on about the same time my uncle was having his problems.. funny how everyone in the family paid attention to that yet completely blocked my situation out because my brother’s the favorite grandchild or however you wanna put that. anyhoo.. didn’t mean to ramble on. Just proving that it happens in every situation possible and it should NEVER be tolerated. it has more of an affect on people then they’d like to believe
once in exreme circumstances.. but never again
Ren said,
May 5, 2004 @ 5:40 pm
cath_y – :dances: I’m glad you like the new look
I know what you mean… It’s one of those things that is black and white and isn’t at the same time… On the one hand accidents do happen, the right chain of events in the right situation could lead somebody to completely lose control. But hitting your child or partner is never ok… But then we all make mistakes, and love is about forgiveness…
I guess each case should be looked at individually. My thinking about the one discussed on TV, is that if it had happened once, and the husband had made sure that it never happened again by either not drinking at all, or by making sure he never got that drunk, I would say yeah, he made a mistake and he’s doing everything he can to make it right. But since it’s happened more than once, he’s still drinking enough to cause it, and even more important, he always makes sure the children aren’t there to see it happen… That’s not a sudden loss of control. So to my mind, it then becomes black and white.
Adam – Nope, Knoppix is the full tested version… Not sure what it was… Cluster technology eh… You know what I like… :wiggles:
Good to know that people will still stand against that kind of thing, although I’m not sure if beating him up really solves anything…
bittrsweet – Nickelback are great… I must normally have gone off to bed by the time you get online… We keep missing each other, but then I have to :-zzz sometime!
Yeah it’s strange how most people are horrified at wife beating, yet if it’s the husband being abused, people tend to laugh and snigger about it. They forget that abuse is abuse, it’s like bullying, women can be just as bad as men. The bigger portion of the abuse is fear, more than actual violence itself!
I’m sorry to hear about your brother… That’s another thing that annoys me, how much siblings can do to each other, or have done to them, that is “acceptable” because “children will be children” or “they’re just playing”. Just because you are related to someone doesn’t mean that they can be a vicious little thug or an outright bully!